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romney did well in the debate. i will admit that, i give him a b-plus on style, but i give him a d-minus on substance and truthfulness. >> you know, why -- >> he did not tell the truth. >> president obama didn't challenge him on the stage, which i think probably is what a lot of democrats think the problem was. let me ask you about ohio's job. as you know, both of you know, ohio's unemployment rate is lower than the national average. it was 5.4%, governor, when you took office. it hit its high point in 2010. ten points now it's down. by 7.2%. now, i want to just play you what governor kasik, a republican, said at the rnc. >> we've made real progress in ohio in restoring confidence because that's what so much of life is about. we are setting people free in order to build success, but we need a new partner in washington. this relationship is just not working. it is holding us back. >> so governor, first to you. who is responsible for the good economy, or relatively good economy in ohio? >> thank you for playing that
romney did well in the debate. i will admit that, i give him a b-plus on style, but i give him a d-minus on substance and truthfulness. >> you know, why -- >> he did not tell the truth. >> president obama didn't challenge him on the stage, which i think probably is what a lot of democrats think the problem was. let me ask you about ohio's job. as you know, both of you know, ohio's unemployment rate is lower than the national average. it was 5.4%, governor, when you took...
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>> in terms of debate preparation, i talked with mid romney's debate coach senator rob portman about that he said the strategy depends on which president obama shows up. if it's the combative and aggressive president obama. mitt romney could go toe to toe with him and punch for punch. it's it's 2008 rope-a-dope obama that dominated the debates back then governor romney has to be careful not to punch himself out early or commit any unforced errors. clearly articulate the choice between himself and president obama where he would take the country and where the president would here is ryan. >> he needs to give the american people the choice we are offering. that's what we are doing. we owe the country a very clear choice of a different future. we can either have a dynamic growing economy that produces opportunity or we can have a stagnant economy that fosters dependency. >> and this debate format is going to be different for the governor as well. out of 23 debates he has never, shep, had a one-on-one like he will on wednesday. >> shepard: while they are trying to lower expectations here
>> in terms of debate preparation, i talked with mid romney's debate coach senator rob portman about that he said the strategy depends on which president obama shows up. if it's the combative and aggressive president obama. mitt romney could go toe to toe with him and punch for punch. it's it's 2008 rope-a-dope obama that dominated the debates back then governor romney has to be careful not to punch himself out early or commit any unforced errors. clearly articulate the choice between...
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but the debate that mitt romney put on. it was a mitt romney debate. not reagan. the depraspness of the issues and the way he went and from the beginning to the end. there great moments all the way through. there were not just one but many. that was the best debate since lincoln and i say that to honor mitt romney for what he did and not tie him to ronald reagan. we make a mistake when we look for ronald reagan. we were not looking for lincoln when we found reagan. and we were looking for a landlorder and we found one the other night. >> so many conservatives feel your father set the high bar in the presidential debates. >> i think they probably did. that is the only person they have been able to quote. they had no other republican to quote . now there is another republican. i bruced mitt romney a couplev years ago in the los angeles california club and i said to the group that is there. let's not make the mistake of looking for the next ronald reagan. we may do that and walk past the next great leader of our movement. when you put machine up against ronald reagan
but the debate that mitt romney put on. it was a mitt romney debate. not reagan. the depraspness of the issues and the way he went and from the beginning to the end. there great moments all the way through. there were not just one but many. that was the best debate since lincoln and i say that to honor mitt romney for what he did and not tie him to ronald reagan. we make a mistake when we look for ronald reagan. we were not looking for lincoln when we found reagan. and we were looking for a...
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john, this is not officially a disaster of debate prep for mitt romney. you know, as you know, debate handlers have come up with zingers before to candidates, but they do not leak to the media ahead of time that they have a big bag of zingers ready to go. they actually try to let the candidate take some credit for being clever and quick on his feet. this is now a hopeless situation for romney. >> i've become increasingly convinced when they're talking about zingers they're talking about the hostess snack cakes. there's been so much telegraphing of punches of the romney campaign not only with the zinger comments but also last week when they started telegraphing the notion they were going to take on the president on his vars veracity, they were going to challenge his onsti. they're tal graphed so gratuitously, it makes me think that some of these things must be decoys and that mitt romney is not going to try to throw zingers on him or he's going to do what he does need to do which is to look presidential. there's still a huge number of people in the country
john, this is not officially a disaster of debate prep for mitt romney. you know, as you know, debate handlers have come up with zingers before to candidates, but they do not leak to the media ahead of time that they have a big bag of zingers ready to go. they actually try to let the candidate take some credit for being clever and quick on his feet. this is now a hopeless situation for romney. >> i've become increasingly convinced when they're talking about zingers they're talking about...
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last debate between romney and obama, romney cleaned obama's clock. you can tell who won by the poll numbers. having ryan do well in this debate only helps that momentum going forward. at the same time, vice president biden is prone to gaffes. he has talked about the middle-class being in a ditch for the last four years. he has been talking about raising taxes, raising trillions of dollars in taxes. having that one soundbite that biden can across with as a gaffe could really hurt. >> heather: do you think we'll see a more aggressive vice president biden? >> i hope so. one thing about the first debate that democrats will learn that mitt romney and paul ryan, they fact checkers they will get into it. they will say things over and over again that are not true. during the debate the vice president needs to say during the debate, paul ryan that is not true. at the time they can't rely on fact checks for after the debate. >> heather: vice president biden has had problems were with his own fact checkingers. coming out of the presidential debate, they said th
last debate between romney and obama, romney cleaned obama's clock. you can tell who won by the poll numbers. having ryan do well in this debate only helps that momentum going forward. at the same time, vice president biden is prone to gaffes. he has talked about the middle-class being in a ditch for the last four years. he has been talking about raising taxes, raising trillions of dollars in taxes. having that one soundbite that biden can across with as a gaffe could really hurt. >>...
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second and third debates so the fact that was this was the first debate and strong performance by romney and weak by obama, probably means romney will at the end of the series have a gain. the gain is the impact is generally two to three points which may not sound like much, but when you're in a close as a race as this one is, and it is close. the track is five points as you said. take a look. there's 91 polls in the last 30 days, 91 national polls, not state polls, national polls, and the margin's been over two points. if mitt romney moves up two points and president obama moves down two points, there's another contest here with somebody else in front. lou: look at the swing states, looking at rasmussen, romney aheadn virginia and in ohio, romney a point behind the president where there was a significant lead, as you know, for the president. this is having some influence early. is it likely to be more profound as days go on? >> well, in all likelihood, this will build itself in for three or four more days here. there could be a lengthened -- and then the vice presidential debate that i
second and third debates so the fact that was this was the first debate and strong performance by romney and weak by obama, probably means romney will at the end of the series have a gain. the gain is the impact is generally two to three points which may not sound like much, but when you're in a close as a race as this one is, and it is close. the track is five points as you said. take a look. there's 91 polls in the last 30 days, 91 national polls, not state polls, national polls, and the...
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>> i think the media in general said that mitt romney won the debate. before you say duh, no kidding, that's obvious, that's not a small point. this is the same media that you and i, bill, have talked about as being barak obama's most loyal base. so if they acknowledge that their guy lost, that tells us something. and i think what it tells us is that while the media is willing to cover for barak obama, while it'sle to circle the wagons for him and even root for him, they will not let barak obama embarrass them. they will not make -- let barak obama make them look more pathetic or more stupid than usual because that's the one thing they won't tolerate. they tell all of us that barak obama is the smartest guy in the room, perhaps the smartest guy on the planet. they tell us that all the time. the fact is barak obama lost the debate not just on style points, he lost it on intellectual points. and it made the media look bad and i think that's why they did that. do i have 15 more seconds? >> bill: yeah, go ahead. >> right after the debate, there were more th
>> i think the media in general said that mitt romney won the debate. before you say duh, no kidding, that's obvious, that's not a small point. this is the same media that you and i, bill, have talked about as being barak obama's most loyal base. so if they acknowledge that their guy lost, that tells us something. and i think what it tells us is that while the media is willing to cover for barak obama, while it'sle to circle the wagons for him and even root for him, they will not let...
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you are going to hear i think at this debate -- and duf is correct -- you have will hear more from romney about himself and make himself a little bit more likable, but you will hear about his policies for the future. but the main thing i think these folks are going to concentrate on is if you like the last four years, boy oh boy love the next four. >> jennifer: right. >> they will try to make this more about the president. >> jennifer: what i think is going to be interesting on this, duf is if mitt romney is going to focus on the things that truly have been debunked before then he is going to be in a very awkward position, when he says he is going to prove that what the president said is a lie. >> i think really what is more important is that he is going to point out, look, president obama promised us that unemployment wouldn't be this high -- >> jennifer: that's another lie. he didn't promise that it was going to be 8% or less -- >> just christine roamer his -- >> jennifer: but that's the given up four pants on fire pinocchio rating as well. >> i think the american people understand when
you are going to hear i think at this debate -- and duf is correct -- you have will hear more from romney about himself and make himself a little bit more likable, but you will hear about his policies for the future. but the main thing i think these folks are going to concentrate on is if you like the last four years, boy oh boy love the next four. >> jennifer: right. >> they will try to make this more about the president. >> jennifer: what i think is going to be interesting...
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debate was more style over substance, that debate really fueling the polls and we'll see if it's affected by the vice presidential debate this week. vice president biden, paul ryan debate on thursday. both of them out of the public spotlight as they continue to study for that. ryan is in florida. vice president biden is in delaware. he says he is focusing on ryan's speeches and on his budget. lynn? >>> tracie pots for us in washington. tracie, thank you. >>> a nashville hospital is reporting another death from the meningitis outbreak. that's according to the associated press. if confirmed, it would be the fifth deadly case in tennessee, the ninth nationally. at least 105 people in nine states from minnesota to florida have been affected. the cdc now believes 13,000 people in 23 states may have received steroid injections tied to this outbreak. while many are believed not to be at risk, those who got the shot between late june and september are being urged to get checked. >>> for the very first time we are hearing from jerry sandusky out of his sentencing this morning on 45 counts of child
debate was more style over substance, that debate really fueling the polls and we'll see if it's affected by the vice presidential debate this week. vice president biden, paul ryan debate on thursday. both of them out of the public spotlight as they continue to study for that. ryan is in florida. vice president biden is in delaware. he says he is focusing on ryan's speeches and on his budget. lynn? >>> tracie pots for us in washington. tracie, thank you. >>> a nashville...
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debates with mitt romney, three of them just in this cycle. i can tell you, their styles are different. >> their styles are different. we have a couple of clips to kind of illustrate this, and i want to work through this, so please humor me. first, let's hear from mitt romney. this was at january of this year at the cnn republican debate in jacksonville. >> you make a serious accusation against governor romney like that, you need to explain that. [ audience booi ining ] >> you want to try again? >> wouldn't it be nice if people didn't make accusations somewhere else that they weren't willing to defend here? >> all right. >> speaker, you've indicated that somehow i don't earn that money. i have earned the money that i have. i didn't inherit it. i take risk. i make investment. those investments lead to jobs being created in america. i'm proud of being successful. i'm proud of being in the free enterprise system that creates jobs for other people. i'm not going to run from that. i'm proud of the taxes i pay. my taxes, plus my charitable contribut
debates with mitt romney, three of them just in this cycle. i can tell you, their styles are different. >> their styles are different. we have a couple of clips to kind of illustrate this, and i want to work through this, so please humor me. first, let's hear from mitt romney. this was at january of this year at the cnn republican debate in jacksonville. >> you make a serious accusation against governor romney like that, you need to explain that. [ audience booi ining ] >> you...
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a new pew poll, showing mitt romney, jumping 4 points ahead. to pat goodell, a game changer, thank you for joining us, what do you make of this idea. do the debates matter or not in chances of someone winning the election? >> they do matter a great dial, this is biggest singleebate in helping a candidate since ronald reagan. it was one debate, in carter in '76 they proved people were comfortable to him becoming president. less:liz: said no more presidel debates. >> that is right, until 1976, i remember i went did the research, getting ready for 76 debate, i assume like everyone else legend was that kennedy won first debate big and moved polls a lot, he had not, he moved them a few points but he got what i call credibility threshold. the reason that romney is doing so well, not vote numbers alone. he did was, you could see it in cbs poll, their panel of uncommitted voters. liz: the guys and ladies in 40 40 40-yard line. >> yes, 30% said that romneycared about people about them at the beginning of the debate, by the end it was 53, almost doubles,
a new pew poll, showing mitt romney, jumping 4 points ahead. to pat goodell, a game changer, thank you for joining us, what do you make of this idea. do the debates matter or not in chances of someone winning the election? >> they do matter a great dial, this is biggest singleebate in helping a candidate since ronald reagan. it was one debate, in carter in '76 they proved people were comfortable to him becoming president. less:liz: said no more presidel debates. >> that is right,...
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governor romney, he is a good debater. i'm just okay. >> the president is keeping a low profile wile he preps with senator john kerry who is playing mitt romney. but he just stopped by his local cal campaign office and te president told volunteers they're making me do my hom homework. >> bret: ed henry with the president in las vegas. thanks. stocks were mixed today. dow gained 78. s&p 500 finished ahead four. nasdaq fell 3. bring in senior political analyst brit hume from washington with analysis of what the president has been saying on the campaign trail about the economy. good evening. >> hi there, bret. a central premise of the obama campaign is he inherited an economy in freefall. pulled it back from the brink and set it on the right path. but consider this. the economy fell in to recession more than a year before mr. obama took office. by the time he was inaugurated the worst of it was over. the economy was still shrinking but the steepest decline had occurred in the time quarter of 2008. it shrank less in first quar
governor romney, he is a good debater. i'm just okay. >> the president is keeping a low profile wile he preps with senator john kerry who is playing mitt romney. but he just stopped by his local cal campaign office and te president told volunteers they're making me do my hom homework. >> bret: ed henry with the president in las vegas. thanks. stocks were mixed today. dow gained 78. s&p 500 finished ahead four. nasdaq fell 3. bring in senior political analyst brit hume from...
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mitt romney continues to gain momentum in the wake of the debate. president obama was off to a strong start here in ohio. the unemployment rate lower than the national average. the folks here really like the auto bailout, one out of every eight ohioans has a connection to the auto industry. so a lot of ohioans were expressing support for him, but now obviously things are getting tighter, martin. >> nbc's kristin welker fighting will.i.am very valiantly. thank you very much, kristin. we'll be right back. ♪ this is love, this is love, this is love ♪ [ female announcer ] most whitening strips promise full whitening results in two weeks or more. rembrandt® deeply white™ 2 hour whitening kit is proven to quickly remove surface stains and deep stains in just two hours. [ female announcer ] rembrandt® deeply white™: whiten in just 2 hours. starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. back to the news. just two aleve can keep
mitt romney continues to gain momentum in the wake of the debate. president obama was off to a strong start here in ohio. the unemployment rate lower than the national average. the folks here really like the auto bailout, one out of every eight ohioans has a connection to the auto industry. so a lot of ohioans were expressing support for him, but now obviously things are getting tighter, martin. >> nbc's kristin welker fighting will.i.am very valiantly. thank you very much, kristin. we'll...
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among those who watched, a whooping 72% thought romney won that debate. compare that to 20% for president obama. 52 point margin is the largest in the poll's history. only bill clinton's 1992 town hall debate with george h.w. bush with ross perot came close. is romney's debate performance helping him win over voters on election day? in the three days before the debate, president obama led mitt romney by five points. in the three days after the debate, obama and romney were typed according to gallup. the seven-day tracking poll that includes three debate days and four post-debate days has the race at 50-45 obama. to help us sort it out let's welcome back nate. today he wrote about romney's bounce and how long it might last. nate, thank god we have you here. my head is spinning trying to sort through it. let me lay it out for everybody and you can interpret it. gat will you please released yesterday three days of polls after the debate and said we have a tied race. gallup has a seven-day average that shows bahaobama gaining a t and losing a point. we have t
among those who watched, a whooping 72% thought romney won that debate. compare that to 20% for president obama. 52 point margin is the largest in the poll's history. only bill clinton's 1992 town hall debate with george h.w. bush with ross perot came close. is romney's debate performance helping him win over voters on election day? in the three days before the debate, president obama led mitt romney by five points. in the three days after the debate, obama and romney were typed according to...
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he can't let romney control this debate and that's what i think romney's going to try to do. paint the picture. you're talking about not only explaining what you did, what you inherited, this fiscal mess, the number of jobs you created, but where you're going to lead this country and then contrast that strongly and put romney on the defensive about the fact how can you actually tell the american people that the policies you support, which are the same that created this mess, are going to lead us to a different direction and then don't filibuster. i love the president, but boy, he has a tendency to go on and on in some of those questions and in a debate, that can get you in trouble. >> get in, get out. new polling is showing mitt romney has narrowed the gap. good news for him. in the last two weeks and your tips, you said the governor needs to show passion for the country and it people. what does he say to voters to do that because there is still the sting from that 47% remark that people are not walking away from that is resognating. >> one of the things we often had conversa
he can't let romney control this debate and that's what i think romney's going to try to do. paint the picture. you're talking about not only explaining what you did, what you inherited, this fiscal mess, the number of jobs you created, but where you're going to lead this country and then contrast that strongly and put romney on the defensive about the fact how can you actually tell the american people that the policies you support, which are the same that created this mess, are going to lead...
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mitt romney's team knew that and mitt romney came into this debate determined to make it a debate. no one brought up green jobs. the moderator didn't bring up green jobs. mitt romney did to use it as a tool against the president. the president has to realize that his side and he is under the same obligation to drive the debate from his side himself. the moderator is not going to drive this debate. >> that's exactly right. that's sort of the point that i was trying to make about how the different approaches of romney and obama played very differently with this sort of a format and that romney just rolled over the format and made it about everything he wanted it to be. everything on domestic policy on which he is the weakest was just avoided because he drove the agenda of the debate. lehrer got rolled over by romney again and again. and it was the president's fault that he did not do the same thing. >> one more quick point. mitt romney is very, very hard to anticipate. we've been asking for months, how is mitt romney going to explain the deduction side of his $5 trillion tax cut. he'
mitt romney's team knew that and mitt romney came into this debate determined to make it a debate. no one brought up green jobs. the moderator didn't bring up green jobs. mitt romney did to use it as a tool against the president. the president has to realize that his side and he is under the same obligation to drive the debate from his side himself. the moderator is not going to drive this debate. >> that's exactly right. that's sort of the point that i was trying to make about how the...
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>>carl: depends how the debate plays out this is different for mitt romney. each question is 15-minute segment. a go for two minutes to each candidate and then a free for all for the remaining 11 minutes. it will be up to jim lehrer. romney wants do go after obama's record. this are plenty of zingers. in the past several weeks, both campaigns have been trying to lower spectateses for their performance, mitt romney appears to have won that. the gal hop poll -- gallup poll shows most americans think president obama will win the debates which is what romney wanted people to think so he could overcome lower expectations and appear to overachieve tonight but it shows a certainant of doubt in the american public about his debate skills. he has reached a point in the last few days where he recognizes there is a industry amount riding on this and he has to show to the american people he is a capable, able, and likable would-be president who provides necessary specifics to persuade people that there is a reasonable affirmative vote they can cast in his favor. that doe
>>carl: depends how the debate plays out this is different for mitt romney. each question is 15-minute segment. a go for two minutes to each candidate and then a free for all for the remaining 11 minutes. it will be up to jim lehrer. romney wants do go after obama's record. this are plenty of zingers. in the past several weeks, both campaigns have been trying to lower spectateses for their performance, mitt romney appears to have won that. the gal hop poll -- gallup poll shows most...
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romney in wednesday's debate. meanwhile, new data spurring a firestorm. conspiracy theorists openly suggested the white house manipulated the numbers. former ge ceo led the crowd with this quote, unbelievable job numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate, so change numbers. he did not back down in an appearance on msnbc's "hardball" last night. >> i have no evidence to prove that. i just raised the question. >> you didn't raise the question. you said, these chicago guys will do anything so they changed the numbers. do you want to take that back? >> no. >> this was an assertion, jimmying with the number, corruption here, infiltration, getting to the -- it's not funny, jack. you're talking about the president of the united states playing with the burp oh of labor statistics numbers. this is nixon stuff. do you want to take back the charge? >> i don't want to take back one word in that tweet. >> joining me now for a close look at the jobs number, and a broiling controversy, chief economist for vice president biden and senior fellow on budget
romney in wednesday's debate. meanwhile, new data spurring a firestorm. conspiracy theorists openly suggested the white house manipulated the numbers. former ge ceo led the crowd with this quote, unbelievable job numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate, so change numbers. he did not back down in an appearance on msnbc's "hardball" last night. >> i have no evidence to prove that. i just raised the question. >> you didn't raise the question. you said,...
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have a couple more good debates, those all go in the romney column. that was a freudian slip. but at the end of the day, though, the question is committee make up the big difference in ohio? can he make up the big difference in wisconsin? because if he doesn't win ohio, he's got to win wisconsin. the romney people still think he can. after that debate and after barack obama's performance, which was staggeringly bad. >> all right. >> no, i mean it. >> he's right. >> okay. >> i'm hearing this from democrats. and this broke through. we always hear about how americans aren't paying attention. they're looking at reality shows. this broke through, everybody was talking about it, not just how well romney did but how badly the president performed. >> well, just as i think it was premature to declare the race over before, i think it's too soon to say that that performance, as widely watched as it was, is going to move numbers. we have yet to see any numbers move. i think they probably will some. and i think that on the other hand, did governor romney win the d
have a couple more good debates, those all go in the romney column. that was a freudian slip. but at the end of the day, though, the question is committee make up the big difference in ohio? can he make up the big difference in wisconsin? because if he doesn't win ohio, he's got to win wisconsin. the romney people still think he can. after that debate and after barack obama's performance, which was staggeringly bad. >> all right. >> no, i mean it. >> he's right. >> okay....
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mitt romney had the luxury of preparation endlessly for this debate. this is his full-time job as running for president. the president, you know, actually has a full-time job and that is running the country. he was rusty and it showed. mitt romney had had 20 debates this year. was very well prepared. and that showed too. but i do think president obama was able to do the contrast. i loved when he looked directly to the camera and talked to the american people about his plan in protecting the middle class versus mitt romney's but he certainly missed some opportunities. >> here is the thing. when it comes to issues, a lot of people are talking about what wasn't mentioned of the debate like romney's 47% comment, romney's taxes, bain capital. why didn't the president mention these things? >> that's exactly right, carol, and what i was about to say is that he absolute missed some opportunities. i don't understand why he didn't bring up the 47%. i don't know understand why he didn't focus on bain and i don't understand why he did not go back very hard on mitt
mitt romney had the luxury of preparation endlessly for this debate. this is his full-time job as running for president. the president, you know, actually has a full-time job and that is running the country. he was rusty and it showed. mitt romney had had 20 debates this year. was very well prepared. and that showed too. but i do think president obama was able to do the contrast. i loved when he looked directly to the camera and talked to the american people about his plan in protecting the...
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republican primaries when mitt romney was about to go to debates. but that could be say going into the debate with. we have michael shure and senior editor for the "new republic." i want to run this by you. it looks like romney is in a big load of trouble when it comes do the debates because he does not have much room to attack president obama. am i seeing this wrong? >> no, i think you're right. if i had one major strategic criticism of the romney campaign, they never migrated to the middle of the spectrum. ever since he had to move rights during the primaryies to offset challenges from newt gringrich and rick perry he maintained the base but it's mystifying that he never moved center. i agree with you the guy has boxed himself in on the far right political spectrum, and it's not the place you want to be with a month before the election day. >> cenk: i think moam made a good point the whole idea was that he was more electable. >> newt gringrich forever is saying he's not the most electable because he's being something now that he will not be in the
republican primaries when mitt romney was about to go to debates. but that could be say going into the debate with. we have michael shure and senior editor for the "new republic." i want to run this by you. it looks like romney is in a big load of trouble when it comes do the debates because he does not have much room to attack president obama. am i seeing this wrong? >> no, i think you're right. if i had one major strategic criticism of the romney campaign, they never migrated...
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gibbs tried to tackle romney's debate flip-flops. i think he did it here. let's watch. >> it's not rocket science to believe that the president was disappointed in the expectations that he has for himself. but, look, i think part of that was because, as i said earlier, we met a new mitt romney. we met a mitt romney that wanted to walk away from the central theory of his economic plan which is his tax cut. i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion or $5 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers, i think we need more of them. i mean, look, don't believe me, speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent in running during the primaries in saying, look, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. >> well, one thing i have been saying about the campaign is the president needs surrogates out there, he needs confederates, people out there. i love charleston. a lot of people -- rather charlotte because in charlotte you heard an entire political party speaking led by people like deval patrick, the go
gibbs tried to tackle romney's debate flip-flops. i think he did it here. let's watch. >> it's not rocket science to believe that the president was disappointed in the expectations that he has for himself. but, look, i think part of that was because, as i said earlier, we met a new mitt romney. we met a mitt romney that wanted to walk away from the central theory of his economic plan which is his tax cut. i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion or $5 trillion. i'm not going to cut...
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governor romney, he's a good debater. i'm just okay. >> nbc's chris tin welker is live and joins us from las vegas not far from henderson, nevada, where the president is preparing for wednesday night. good afternoon, kristin. the last time i heard such a chorus of lowering expectations was when pinklynn thomas got into the ring with tyson only for tyson to land a flurry of 16 punches. is this more about avoiding embarrassment as opposed to landing a killer blow? >> reporter: well, i think it is, martin. i think you're absolutely right. one more point about mike tyson though, it was right here in las vegas that he did some serious damage to evander holyfield's ear. so i think we're hoping wednesday night's debate doesn't get that ugly. but i think you're right. i think both candidates are really hoping to just walk away from wednesday night unscathed, and that will look like a victory for each of them. on mitt romney's part, his advisers say he has to get more specific about his economic policy. that's what voters want to
governor romney, he's a good debater. i'm just okay. >> nbc's chris tin welker is live and joins us from las vegas not far from henderson, nevada, where the president is preparing for wednesday night. good afternoon, kristin. the last time i heard such a chorus of lowering expectations was when pinklynn thomas got into the ring with tyson only for tyson to land a flurry of 16 punches. is this more about avoiding embarrassment as opposed to landing a killer blow? >> reporter: well, i...
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positive impressions of mitt romney from that debate. i don't foe if this competes with that. but certainly we saw in the past couple of months that people were beginning to feel a lot more confident about the economic situation personally and for the country. you saw it in the polls. we were wondering why was this data turning around. bill clinton gave a great speech at the convention and everyone loved what clinton said. it now turns out there was some underlying economic trends that was feeding that that we didn't really know about, but that makes sense now. and i think if that's the case heading into the critical month of october and obviously in november where we're going to have one more jobs report, i think that really does benefit the president. because that's been the underlying issue of this entire campaign. it's been the issue that mitt romney's campaigned on from the get-go. >> at the convention i think he framed obama the case for obama and particularly the case for obama on the economy more clearly than anyone else has on t
positive impressions of mitt romney from that debate. i don't foe if this competes with that. but certainly we saw in the past couple of months that people were beginning to feel a lot more confident about the economic situation personally and for the country. you saw it in the polls. we were wondering why was this data turning around. bill clinton gave a great speech at the convention and everyone loved what clinton said. it now turns out there was some underlying economic trends that was...
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and many fellow democrats felt romney bent the truth in the debate but was never called out and i asked if it was the moderator that bungled that or the president. >> i think the moderator has that job. >> it's upo the president to defend himself? >> absolutely. i am not trying to say the president should not take responsibility for his awful performance, he should have. but i think the criticism to the moderator is also justified. >> go ahead, hanna. >> what the liberals are doing is post debate spinning. it's whining. there's no whining in politics. one person should have challenged what romney was saying and his name is barack obama, and he did not do it. i agree with lz. it was a bit of both. it was a lot of both. president obama was way off, and mitt romney was very much on his game. you know, i don't remember many debates where it's hard to think of a memorable gaffe or a memorable knockout blow, and yet there was a very visible mark that was an undebatable victor of the debate, and it was mitt romney. he did it because for 90 sustained minutes, it was like he was debating a limp
and many fellow democrats felt romney bent the truth in the debate but was never called out and i asked if it was the moderator that bungled that or the president. >> i think the moderator has that job. >> it's upo the president to defend himself? >> absolutely. i am not trying to say the president should not take responsibility for his awful performance, he should have. but i think the criticism to the moderator is also justified. >> go ahead, hanna. >> what the...